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  • 1.  Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 03-24-2021 04:45:00 PM
    What are other schools and colleges doing about "some present/some zoomies" in the same session? 

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    Alease
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  • 2.  RE: Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 03-25-2021 10:50:00 AM
    We were just chatting about this.  Last year we ran one course as a hybrid with some present/some zooming and ran the same course this year fully zoom - having everyone on the same platform was clearly smoother.  We have already decided that if our PBL sessions have one or more students needing remote participation the entire group will be remote.  Interested to hear if others have effectively tackled this.

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    Judith Rowen
    Associate Dean for Academic Affairs
    Carle Illinois College of Medicine
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  • 3.  RE: Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 03-30-2021 09:46:00 AM
    At my institution, we are not quite there yet making decisions for fall. So far, we have not had some present / some on Zoom but that might change in fall. So much uncertainty right now so we have to have plans a to z just in case.
    Max

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    Max Anderson
    Dir of Instructional Design and Learning Innovation
    University of Illinois College of Medicine
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  • 4.  RE: Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 03-31-2021 08:47:00 AM
    Such an important question - how to optimize engagement for those participating in-person at the same time as those participating remotely. Is it even possible or desirable? We think it will be important in order to maximize total student synchronous participation but does optimizing remote participation inherently minimize in-person and vice-versa? We're trying to establish best practices in various settings: small group room where only tech is laptop use by the in-person participants versus larger rooms where there is a room camera/audio system. What hardware/software is best to allow everyone to participate, see and hear each other simultaneously?

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    Patricia Garcia
    Associate Dean for Curriculum
    Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicin
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  • 5.  RE: Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 04-01-2021 09:11:00 AM

    Applied to traditional lectures, this seems like a great teachable moment to help remind presenters to always repeat the question that has been asked, so that attendees in the back/in their homes can hear it.

    It will be interesting to see, at my institution, whether the option of synchronous virtual attendance pulls from the majority of students who prefer to receive lecture content asynchronously (via recordings), or simply gives another option to folks who otherwise would have attended in person.



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    Alan Blayney
    Research Staff; MD/PhD Student
    SUNY Upstate Medical University
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  • 6.  RE: Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 04-01-2021 11:49:00 AM
    This is a question we are struggling with this very week! On the one hand, our faculty who have been Zooming now see the ability to offer this as very easy, i.e., I can Zoom from home, now I will just do it in the lecture hall with people present. I do see that there are still some technical issues to resolve in doing this hyflex approach in the lecture hall and from the podium, e.g., getting the AV inputs right and coordinating with lecture capture if that is still happening, etc.

    I think the bigger challenges will lie in the non-technical issues, e.g., technical support of the sessions, moderating chats for remote folks while also teaching in-person, making sure to repeat the question as suggested by Alan if audio is not possible from the audience, policies for mandatory sessions/attendance, handling small-group sessions if allowed, etc.

    I am secretly hoping that we do EITHER remote OR in-person if possible so am curious to learn how other schools are approaching and see if we should plan differently as we start actively exploring this for the Fall now.

    Thank you!
    Julie

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    Julie Youm, PhD
    Assistant Dean, Education Compliance and Quality; Director, Educational Technology
    University of California, Irvine Susan & Henry Samueli College of Health Sciences
    jyoum@uci.edu
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  • 7.  RE: Zoom and In-person class at the Same Time

    Posted 04-06-2021 12:54:00 PM
    I am late to the party, but there are a host of questions you need to answer before you can support live hyflex ('hybrid flexible') instruction.

    1. Do your classrooms have the necessary equipment?  At minimum, you need a camera, microphone, and speakers in addition to any existing technologies that you already have in your rooms.  This could be as simple as rolling in a television with a computer and a video bar or as complicated as hanging a new camera and a new microphone array plugged into a digital signal processor in your podium and then reprogramming the podium's controls.  [USC has been hosting monthly university-wide "Tech Shares" to show faculty what is awaiting them when they return to campus.  Our March Tech Share -- which you can find online at https://keckmedia.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=9f7d7267-6a93-471d-919e-acf701122c56 -- included a tour of our MD classrooms (jump to 7:13), all-in-one video bars (jump to 24:21), and portable digital whiteboards (jump to 27:26).]
    2. Is the classroom camera pointed in the right direction?  Most classroom cameras are pointed at the front of the room which makes them great for chalk talks but horrible for student-to-student discussion.
    3. Who gets to decide when a class is in-person and when it can be offered as a hyflex course?  The answer is most likely 'the curriculum committee,' but you need to state this up front or there are going to be a lot of confused students.
    4. Who gets to decide who can attend an in-person class and who can participate remotely?  This wasn't an issue when lectures were recorded and then posted later in the day, but live streaming adds a new wrinkle to attendance practices.
    I'll add a fifth that may be unique to USC.  We started using Zoom before the pandemic and added the Zoom to Panopto plugin at the start of this AY.  We use Zoom for most lectures, Panopto for most live GA sessions (because of its higher quality), and Panopto as our video library.  The Zoom to Panopto plugin works, but there is a significant delay between when a lecture recording ends and when it is uploaded to Panopto (because you have to wait for Zoom to render, then wait for Zoom to upload to Panopto, and then wait for Panopto to rerender the video).  We're probably going to ditch Zoom this fall and just stay entirely in Panopto.  Which leads to the question: how do you overcome the 50 second live webinar lag in Panopto (and is that going to be a problem)?

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    Patrick Crispen
    Director of Educational Technologies
    Keck School of Medicine of USC
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